total newbie question. not even newbie question. preggie anticipating breastfeeding question:
i saw some things in a surgical supply shop. they had a whole nursing area and one of the things was these nipple gaurds with holes in them. it looked like the baby could still nurse through them, but not inflict as much damage on mom. if they work how come everybody doesn't use them?
i saw some things in a surgical supply shop. they had a whole nursing area and one of the things was these nipple gaurds with holes in them. it looked like the baby could still nurse through them, but not inflict as much damage on mom. if they work how come everybody doesn't use them?
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Sat, May 17, 2008 - 11:51 AMas i understand it, those are mostly for moms with inverted nipples. it gives baby something to latch onto while drawing out the nipple. everybody doesn't use them because, if all your stuff works fine, may as well just give them the real deal. why have your baby suck on silicone if your nipple is available? it would be like a bottle nipple that draws straight from the tap. -
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Sat, May 17, 2008 - 12:23 PMalso, they are used when mama's nipples get raw and/or infected with the new nursing babe. they saved my best friends life when her breasts got super engorged right after birth and her nipples got really infected. she was able to put vitamin e oil on the nipples and healing salves while using the nipple covers allowing the nipples to heal while the baby nursed away. it also is was WAY less painful for her while she healed.
fyi:some babies wont nurse from the nipple guards just like some babies wont drink from a bottle. the real thing is just better. :) -
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Sat, May 17, 2008 - 12:26 PM'if they work how come everybody doesn't use them? '
another thing.... they are kind of a pain, you have to wash them every time the baby nurses. if you are nursing on demand, this is a lot of work for a new mom... every time the baby wants to eat you have to get up, find where you put the nipple guards last, wash them, suction them on... all while the babe is crying for food. not fun.
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Sat, May 17, 2008 - 12:46 PMThey are also used when baby is little (preemie) and gets tired at the breast. It's easier for them to suck on a nipple as opposed to a real boobie. They should only be used minimally though as sucking on them can give them a nipple preference and they will be too lazy to suck on the real boober. We used it a handful of times in the NICU with Georgia when she was super sleepy. She is a champion breastfeeder now, though. :)
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Sat, May 17, 2008 - 9:38 PMjessica, i am in the midst of my second bout with thrush (only on one side, weird). do you think i should maybe try a shield? i don't know if sol would accept it, since he doesn't even like a bottle. are they expensive? -
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Sat, May 17, 2008 - 9:42 PMI had to use them to get my babe to nurse even before she had ever tried a bottle. She had what our lactation consultant described as a weak suck, and she just didn't tend to draw hard enough on my bare nipple, and she'd get frustrated. The shield did a better job of stimulating the roof of her mouth and she'd nurse much more heartily with them on.
Yes, they were a pain in the neck to be washing and sterilizing all the time. -
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Sun, May 18, 2008 - 8:13 AM'jessica, i am in the midst of my second bout with thrush (only on one side, weird). do you think i should maybe try a shield? i don't know if sol would accept it, since he doesn't even like a bottle'
i dont know? it really helped my friend. i have never used them myself but i don't think they are expensive
here is what dr sears has to say about them:
NIPPLE SHIELDS
A nipple shield is made of thin, flexible silicone and is used to cover a mother's nipple and areola while the baby is nursing. The baby sucks on the nipple shield rather than directly on the breast.
A nipple shield can be used to protect a sore nipple during feedings. A nipple shield may also be used when a baby is having difficulty latching on to a flat or inverted nipple.
CAUTIONS
There are two problems associated with nipple shields.
* With a shield in place the breast does not receive the same kind of stimulation that it does when a baby sucks directly on the breast. This leads to a reduction in milk supply.
* Baby learns to latch on to the nipple shield, rather than to the breast. Weaning from the shield can be difficult.
If you're dealing with sore nipples or latch-on difficulties, it's better to avoid nipple shields and work directly on resolving the problem. Nipple shields should not be the first line of defense for dealing with sore nipples.
WHEN TO USE A NIPPLE SHIELD
Some lactation experts find nipple shields useful in some very specific situations, such as when the baby is unable to latch onto the breast without the shield; for example, a mother with very large nipples and a baby with an unusually small mouth and jaw structure.
If you do use a nipple shield, try to use it only in the first few minutes of a feeding. Once the baby is latched on and his sucking has pulled out the flat nipple, quickly remove the shield and get the baby to attach directly to the breast. Eventually, you will need to wean baby off the shield to insure that you maintain an ample milk supply.
Back in the days when nipple shields were made of latex, mothers were told to trim a little bit off the nipple shield each day in order to wean the baby onto the breast. This is not possible with the newer silicone shields, since cutting them leaves a dangerously sharp edge. -
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Sun, May 18, 2008 - 10:18 AMi guess i've seen a few friends really, really raw and uncomfortable in the first several days/ weeks of learning how to breastfeed. i've seen them just cringing and miserable and had hoped that there would be some way to avoid that by having something on hand to protect me, especially early on. i remember one friend in the hospital -- the nurse had brought in this saline wash and me and another were literaly lifting our poor friend's boobs into the little buckety thing the nurse had brought to soak the nipples in.
maybe a better question than nipple guards would be is there anyway around getting totally chewed up and miserable at the outset? -
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Sun, May 18, 2008 - 11:32 AMi'm gonna be totally honest with you: in *my personal experience* (not true for everyone), breastfeeding REALLY hurt for the first 2-3 weeks. my nipples had never experienced anything like it & it was agony, but i just kept going. it only hurt for a few seconds each time, then the pain went away & it became enjoyable. i don't believe my nipples would have toughened up enough if i had used a shield to avoid the temporary discomfort. and it was temporary. after my nipples had become less wussy, it no longer hurt to latch (until a got a clogged duct some months later - another story for another time). i will share the sage advice that my own mother gave to me in the hours after my boy's birth & they saved me when i felt like giving up (and even now, when i get frustrated by thrush):
"keep nursing. even if you bleed, just keep nursing"
a die-hard breastfeeder, just like her sister & mother before her, she instilled in me the perseverance i needed when i felt defeated. i hope her words can encourage you & everyone else here. i continue to share them when i detect a breastfeeder who might be caving to pressure or pain. -
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Sun, May 18, 2008 - 12:23 PMix-chel is lucky to have a dedicated nursing mother .. *no one* but these mommas in the bf'ing and ppmammas tribes was there to encourage me and hold me up when i was down (figuratively), but i knew instinctively to keep nursing through the pain and little bit of blood those first two weeks ... and now here we are, nearly 21 months later. -
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Re: what's up with those plastic nipple guard thingies?
Sun, May 18, 2008 - 1:25 PMYES. That has been my experience with all three of my kids. The first few weeks you have to in a sense "grow your calluses." And at the same time it should only hurt when they first latch on. As they suck and draw the nipple in, it shouldn't hurt anymore. And, after a few weeks it shouldn't hurt at all. If it does hurt during the whole feeding, you need to check the babies mouth to be sure she is putting her mouth all the way around your areola and not just sucking on the nipple.
Nursing can be so rewarding for both mother and baby. It's worth it to power through the first few weeks. Those are the toughest for sure. It's all cream and cake after that. :) -
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 8:21 AMand strawbee ice cream and broccoli too. -
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 11:12 AMawww.....
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 12:44 PMI didn't find it to be that painful. It was rough for a couple of days and then it was done. I don't imagine it was any worse than getting a tattoo or something like that. At the very first I remember that when he nursed my uterus would contract and both would hurt at once, but that only lasted for the first time or two, than I just don't remember it being that difficult--a few times of grimacing when he first latched on but as soon as the milk let down and he started drinking it was fine. Everyone told me to use lansinoh on my nipples but I didn't need it. It just worked out really well for us--so well that Sam is also still nursing at 21 months. In fact, he nurses A LOT for a toddler, still doesn't eat a lot of solid food. I thought I'd nurse for six months or a year! I'm ready for him to eat more solids and nurse less, but he's pretty determined. -
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 2:10 PMdetermined is a very diplomatic way of describing toddler nursing, fairy ;) -
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 9:05 PMEgads, i'm with ya on that. Sequoia will be 2 in less than 2 weeks and he is a very "determined" nurser. I see nothing showing he's remotely interested in weaning. -
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Wed, May 21, 2008 - 2:58 AMI used the nipple guards only a few times during the first 2 weeks of bf'ing. I was very sore but the guards didn't help much. They leaked badly and babe couldn't get a good latch, so I ended up nursing through the soreness. However, my friend who has inverted nipples had to use them at first and helped a lot. -
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Wed, May 21, 2008 - 7:38 AMI got some at my baby shower and never used them, handed them off to a friend at her shower and she didn't use them either. I think they'll become this White Elephant type gift we pass amongst the reproducing set....
I was sore for about 2 weeks when i started nursing, but it was a soreness like poking a bruise, not excruciating pain. And it was only at the beginning of each session, then it would fade. -
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Sat, May 24, 2008 - 6:03 PM"I got some at my baby shower and never used them, handed them off to a friend at her shower and she didn't use them either. I think they'll become this White Elephant type gift we pass amongst the reproducing set.... "
maybe it'll be good to give so nobody ever HAS to use them. :) i know from a breastfeeding support group i went to that half of the women were trying to wean their babies off of the nipple shields. they wouldn't nurse from the actual nipple because it was so much harder. good thing they're there for the people who need them, but just like many things, they are definitely overused (especially in hospitals).
glad siena didn't have any problems. definitely had to build up the callouses after having cracked and bleeding nipples, but didn't i do all that yoga and those pain-coping techniques from bfw for a reason? :)
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